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for some 27 years, no doub about, it won't news outlet ha dramatically reshaped ou country's political dialogue watch. >> how delighted i am to reach this moment, when way ca firmly announce starting of fox news channel >> what would be really helpfu would be if senator dole was released primary dockets lik his birth and have get this guy either highs burst of heavy, get or h doesn't. >> this is one of the coldes years on record, ladie gentlemen. i don't believe climate change is real. >> republicans originall thought that fox worked for us now we're discovering, we work for fox. >> will any thinking perso ever trust vaccines again? >> our elected officials hav allowed our country to b invaded. yeah i'm gonna say it. invaded. >> your own federal government interfered in the 2020 election

and they tipped the scales t the candidate they preferred that, of course, would be th week, frail cognitive mess known as joey, your president. >> let's pretend for a second, your country had a news medi that interest in bringing yo the news not lecturing you about your moral inferiority. you're so bad. or lying to you in transparently obvious ways january 6th was an insurrection, guys >> those were just a few clips whether it was cheerleading th war in iraq, pushing the ide that there is a cultural war o christmas, or even claimin that allowing gay marriage would somehow put america on a slippery slope that ended with humans marrying goats, fox new undoubtedly moved our national dialogue in discourse to the far-right. often with a fairly loos relationship to the actual facts of what was happening. and for a very long time, fo news managed to avoid any sort of accountability for all of this now, that is changing. >> all right, it's already too that you, mark we're just learning on that fo

have indeed settled. >> fox agreed to pay dominio more than $787 million over th networks unsupported claim that the 2020 presidential election was rigged. >> the truth is, fox was a central part of th conservative echo chamber in this country pushing the idea that the 2020 election and had somehow bee stolen from president trump. not only did fox end up paying dominion voting systems, as yo just saw, they're more tha $787 million for peddling thos lies, but it is still actively fighting another defamatio lawsuit, for the electroni voting machine company smartmatic smartmatic is going after fox, aggressively the company is asking for 2. 7 billion dollars in damages all of that is really unfoldin against the backdrop of th 2024 election. where former president trump still spinning the lies that

got him and fox in legal trouble in 2020. that would be a huge mess fo fox to handle under an circumstances. today, we actually got the new that the creator of fox, the 92-year-old australian media magnate, rupert murdoch, i finally stepping down. that leaves his eldest son lachlan murdaugh, as the sol executive in charge of the media empire a lot of questions about wha this means for fox, but th truth is, the question o everyone's mind, what does thi all mean for us? as a country where do we go from here joining us now, our two medi journalists, well known fo their thorough and revealing reporting on rupert murdoch an his vax media empire, ben smith, editor of semafor. and the author of traffic, brian stelter, vanity fair special correspondent, and author of the upcoming book, network of lies. the epic saga of fox news, donald trump, and the battle for american democracy guys, great to see you here. couldn't think of a better two people to speak to about this. i guess i gotta start with the

basic question, also with you, brian. why now? why is rupert murdoch doin this now just as we are about to ente this critical period of ou election cycle >> he's 92 years old he's every bit of 92 years old he started to take a backsea several years ago. you can see that in th dominion legal filings he acted more like a passenger than the driver of his own car he acted like a viewer of hi network, and not the owner that was three years ago i can only imagine it's gotten worse since then he has tried to elevate his so loughlin, he wants loughlin to be in charge he also wants family's stability. i woke up where the story, i thought, you know, this is the season finale of succession. but out the series finale. it's only the season finale. i've now change my mind of that this is not even the seaso finale i think we're gonna hear mor about this in the days to come i think this might be like the mid season finale. okay, rupert, stepping aside at least a little bit, installing loughlin, promoting loughlin that is a big mood there's gonna be more to com in the next few days or weeks. when it comes to what th organization of these companie really is. >> so, to that point, to bryant's point, about th stability in what happens next do you think that there will even though this is the outwar

facing part of fox and they're trying to, as they have been four months, signal stable clear succession, could ther be potentially inside th country company, a different power dynamic? people who are vying for physicians, or jockeying carving out parts of the empire could we see fox news sold >> i mean, the story of fox, really for almost a decade, ha been a power vacuum. in which, i think that's wha you said in this thing, rupert murdoch, you know, kibitzing not really running the place laughlin, the ceo, he ceos thi american company fro australia. when you ask him about, it will, he takes calls a three in th morning. which i think no one believes. so, it's a really quite strang place, fiefdoms, different anchors doing different things it's in the context of a ver difficult media environment, what they are as a kind of a small media company. but the standards of conglomerates within the the dominate american medi landscape. it's basically solely in the cable business, which is increasingly tough business, and it's a moment when they're

gonna need to make some fairly dramatic moves to keep the company going. this is a gesture of stability it's really hard to see wher it leads >> speaking of loughli murdaugh, what do we know abou him. he's definitely visible. you know him i guess we recognize him what do we actually know about him? what we know about his managerial style ideologically? is he as committed to th rupert murdoch, roger ailes, school fox news? >> he certainly as conservativ as his father. we can hear that in speeches he was rooting for donald trum to win the 2020 election whereas's father rupert, was very critical of trump even in 2018, 2019, 2020 it's a little bit of a mystery how often he feels today about trump. you look at his network, there certainly, although the trum complained about fox all the time, they are certainly supporting him in a lot of different ways but i mean, ben, you'v reported on loughlin being lai back, being almost like caretaker ceo. that are critics describin within the company >> yeah, but i think one detai that stuck with me, he had a rock climbing wall installed o

the studio lot, when they stil run the entertainment business he's very interested i spearfishing he's not, you know, his father is an obsessive entrepreneur built a huge empire. this is his eldest son >> that's not what the son wants. so, the question becomes, will they then spin off the assets, will fox news end up in someon else's hands we know the more liberal son james, is disgusted by the fox news he'd like to see a chang there. there's no way he can affect that, when rupert murdoch is still alive. today, rupert said, whether we believe him or not, he said, he's in robust health. >> when you look at the vast media empire that is under the control of fox and the murdaug family, and they are still going to be the larges shareholders, if you will, as voting bloc, the family that is over there is still committe to the eye geological bent o fox news do you think ther could be we saw tucker carlson talked to the side very prominent, very powerfu

voices in conservative circles any chance with this new change, there could be a sligh reorientation of fox >> no. >> is that ideologically, or simply ideological decision. >> i would say both. certainly, murdaugh's, his retirement letter, contained a parting shot at at least certainly not him. >> you don't get much more elite than yet >> his vineyard, or hi yachts >> i think they're gonna sta where they are the parallel company, whic loughlin is now taking over, news corp, controls the wall street journal a number of newspapers aroun the world. it's a big, powerful company and journalists of spent their entire careers pre-writing obituaries for rupert murdoch those things are thousands o words along on the shelf everywhere there could be there or a whil longer the real reckoning probabl doesn't come until the kid fight over his inheritance >> let me come back to the point you said about donal trump in where he fits into th fox legacy certainly, under ruper murdoch. after january the 6th, ruper murdoch wanted to make trump a non-person, according to the transcripts of the dominio lawsuit.

the truth is, here we are on the cusp of an of anothe donald trump, most likely goin to be the republican nominee certainly, as of now, the fron runner >> still a person. >> still a person. >> more a person than ever >> exactly fox's gonna have to deal wit that as a news organization where do you see the interacting? how do you see them interactin with trump if anything differently? specifically on him? >> another debate next week. another debate that's gonna be on fox another debate that trump is gonna snub so, for the time being, there' a little bit of distance and trump likes to attack th network whenever you can these two sides, they always come back together because, i like to say this, the reality about fox thes days, this is not true ten years ago, to today. the people in charge of fox or the viewers. the audience programs fox. not rupert murdoch, no loughlin murdaugh. it's the audience. that feedback loop every day the more extreme programming the more rage, full hatefu programming, it's almost as if

the audience is in charge. now because of the leadershi vacuum that you described, there's nobody at the captai ship, actually running the ship >> there is an effort, and i have the new york city comptroller on my program this past weekend, talking abou this lawsuit, that he, in hi capacity as a new york cit comptroller, is bringing against fox news, to try to, a a shareholder, the new yor city pensions, shape the coverage of fox news, becaus they're trying to hold the accountable. as i think about what we'r about to go through, and wha happened four years ago, n accountability for fox, except for what happened after th election could we see that type o action rain in fox could they be held accountable through these types of measures? if it's not the viewers, i it's not luck with murdaugh, the shareholders >> i mean, i think only thin that really gave them pause, this massive, massiv defamation settlement. i think they probably will be, you know, narrowly more carefu about defaming people. but you can lie about who wo the election that's perfectly legal there is lots of space for the to say crazy stuff the lawsuits did give them pause, and force them to buttoned down their process little bit i mean, they've been essentially, under siege for many quarters, for a long time what is ultimately slowing the

down, none of this stuff just a changing media business fragmentation, a rise of republican commentators, whether it's ben shapiro meghan kelly, or others. who are starting to chip awa at what was once almost monopoly on the right >> these lawsuits, they're not over they are present issue, as you're saying, - the shareholder lawsuits are pending. the last thing rupert murdoc wants to do is testify or be deposed, and get another lawsuit. he's not gonna be up to avoid, it now that he's chairma emeritus, he will still be - it's important to note we're three years past, and fo is still suffering the consequences and there you have to pay a lo more money to settle these suits as well. >> it's also safe to say, it's not just fox the suffering the consequences america, as a country, i suffering the consequences o what fox is doing to a country with its coverage. ben smith, brian stelter, than you so much, really appreciate >> we have a lot more to get you tonight. as he prepares to step dow from his role as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a riveting new profile of genera mark milley. it paints a harrowing pictur of just how hard he and othe military officials had to work to fight against donald trump'

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staff in 2019, the army held a welcome ceremony for him and the man you see in the wheelchair there is army captain lewis avila. captain avila was wounded in the line of duty, and chosen b merely personally to perform godless america at thi important ceremony here is what happened next according to jeffrey goldberg, efforts of republican senator, and his reporting in the tommy tuberville, the senate has now officially confirmed president obama's pick to be the next chairman of the joint atlantic chiefs of staff. charles q brown. after avila's a poor performance, trump walked over you see him on the screen. to congratulate him, but the he said to merely, withi i gotta say, that is actuall pretty timely. earshot of several witnesses the term for the current why do you bring people like chairman, general mark milley, who i should note, is also a that here? trump appointee, expires at th no one wants to see, that th end of this month. and a riveting new profile o wounded. general milley in the atlantic published just this morning, never let avila up here in public again, trump told reveals general milley's milley jeffrey goldberg, author o herculean effort to safeguar the country. that profile, editor-in-chie of the atlantic is still wit against the man who appointe him. me in the weeks before th election, milley was a dervish so, i gotta say, does this story give us insight into donald trump's obsession wit of activity. not being a loser? he just sees everything, and he spent much of his tim talking with american allies everybody, that is not the way adversaries, all worried about the stability of the unite he wants them to be as a loser states he also spoke with lawmakers whether not that was a driving and media figures, in the days force, why he rejected the results of the 2020 election leading up to the election promising that the u.s >> right

military would play no role in i don't know, we're no its outcome. he would remain a dervish unti inauguration date, reassurin allies and cautionin adversaries, arguing against psychiatrists. i don't know what caused him t have that reaction to wounde escalation with iran warriors we know, for instance, when he reminding the joint chiefs, in won, if you want to devote a the national military comman big military parade. >> he's out in paris center, to be aware of an usua >> hillary told his staff, don't have any of those wounde requests or demands. guys march in the parade, it makes everyone look, makes m and keeping an eye on th activities of the me dispatched by trump to lead th pentagon, including defens look bad i can't explain his fear o loathing for that. it's obviously part of a secretary mark esper who was fired. continuum. we know how we talked abou john mccain. obviously, i like people who were not shot down men who milly and others losers people who joined the military suspected were interested in using the military to advanc trump's efforts to remai president. jeffrey goldberg, author o that profile, and editor i chief of the atlantic, joins m now. jeffrey, i think the first wor everybody was thinking was and then get wounded or killed wow. are suckers to him everybody live in that moment, obviously, he's a person who we saw we saw what happened on didn't serve nobody's family ever served. so, he has this attitude, whic january 6th. is, i guess you can boil i down to, you know, what's in i we had a little bit of for me he sees somebody in inclination, i think thi profile gives us the mos wheelchair like that, whos in-depth accurate descriptio of what mark milley did. heroic figure, he's like battl

i want to read a part of wha back, five combat tours in ira you wrote. you said, in the chaotic perio and afghanistan. battled back from thes before and after the 202 horrendous injuries. in what donald trump think election, milley did as much as, or more than, any othe american to defend the about is not that guy. how does it make me feel constitutional order, to and look prevent the military for being deployed against the america i can't, i've been thinkin people into force stole the eruptio about this question for years, of americas wars with nuclea armed adversaries. ever since the mccain episodes started. along the way, really deflecte trump's exhaustion's to have but it has to do with an u.s. military ignore, and even indication, commit war crimes. i guess everyone's questio intense self absorption fo starters and maybe at some level of this morning is, what happen shame. but he avoided the draft i don't know of this guy comes back what happens if donald trump i again, he's not here he is not on the couch reelected? we can't say >> yeah, that's the question what it is, what i can say it's so far outside the norm o political behavior that we hav there is no good answer. no experience with this. >> let me read you another excerpt in your piece. the feeling is, the one thin milley has told friends, tha he expects that of trump the military did against trump returns to the white house, th against destroying the government, to port put it newly elected president will bluntly, what a combination of come after him he'll start throwing people in inexperience and havin so-called grown-ups in the jail room remember, the first couple o i'd be on top of the list, h years the trump administration said >> jim mattis, john kelly, he seems to be worried about eateries like master rex tillerson. this how worried is general mar

milley i mean, this is rhetorical all these guys and some of the it is a fear that he has even had a kind of unofficia pack that, you know, almos like babysitters you're gonna stay in washington, donald trump isn't it having right? somebody is watching the white house. i mean, it sounds crazy in dictaphone we see that in just the way he retrospect goes after the special, counse there we were. judges, anybody that abandoned him, or abandoned his vision o the next time around, it's of governance. >> look, it's not just mar milley, obviously. gonna be stephen miller's al if you're john kelly, if you'r the way down and other words, it's gonna to hr mcmaster, if you're on an on and on. bill barr. >> rex tillerson >> rex tillerson jim mattis be the true believers. the list is endless. the list of people he hired an it's not gonna be the people that most of washington, cente left to center right washington would consider th grown-ups. you know, you bring up c. q. turned on, - >> losers. brown. it's interesting, this will be the reverse of milley' >> all of the most hig experience c. q. brown is starting unde achievement people in america. biden. obviously, this is not t all losers comment on the ideological so, i think that whole coterie differences, but just th behavioral normalcy of the biden white house, as oppose of people became a bit mor worried, when trump, said mayb to the trump white house he's starting there. if trump wins, and there's, don't think any of us ar a couple months ago, i will be your retribution, remember tha quote? it's a revenge based campaign. can he go after them killing ourselves when you say that he couldn't win again then you go into a situation

where, all of a sudden, an i've been very blunt in this i suppose> so, it depends on who he has >> stephen miller, at the port of justice >> yeah, this is where the piece, all of a sudden, you're stress on the system comes in. a general who's reporting to a this is not normal obviously, behavior in a democracy. you don't do that. this is not a normal unstable president that's the thing about general presidency milley he did a lot across his career the thing that makes him uniqu as a chairman of the joint he, obviously, operates outsid the boundaries of norms. chiefs, he is the first of the >> let me ask you really 20 chairman we've had sinc world war ii when the position was created. to ever work for somebody that quickly, the lafayette incident, one of the lowes point in our country's history a lot of people consider to be just the way that it played out, emotionally, mentally, intellectually unfit, morall the fact that general milley was dragged into, it was there at the photo op. and it must have weighed heavily on him how much did that incident unfit, to be president >> to that point, you writ that moment, factor into general milley's calculation about this meeting that took place on january the 6th assessment of a guy like donal trump? >> this is trump's short ter between general milley and the nuclear commander, the officer in charge of the nuclear thinking coming back to bite arsenal. which i think would give all o us, now that we read it in thi him. moment of pause, why do yo he brings billy out, milley an feel he was compelled to d that to the point of donald trump's esper, the defense secretary intellectual stability both say they were duped int going. from that moment, on mille >> the predicate was, righ said, i'm not gonna be foole after january 6th, right after the attack on the capital, again. nancy pelosi calls by the political leadership. so, he was on hyper alert, the

rest of the trump term for any undemocratic activity. then the speaker calls general million says any politicization of th he's crazy, i know it's crazy, you know he's crazy. and milley is put in this, military remember, these are nonpartisan, trump federally good to have a political positions. this soldier in uniform ou there. and it filled milley with sham he's, like the speaker of th and remorse, he apologized house are saying, he's like, trump, of course, criticized yes ma'am, yes ma'am, ye ma'am. he said, i'm worried, this i him before apologizing what nancy pelosi says that really changed the whol i'm worried that he's gonn dynamic between the two of launch a nuclear war them in the two weeks that has left >> it's an incredible piece. in his presidency. jeffrey, incredible access thank you for bringing it to us he says, it can't happen because of the end of the day, this is why it can't happen. if you don't believe the these are the systems we hav politicians in this country. at least listen to the general in place and the person who commanded all of them. thank you so much. really appreciate it then, as he has described it incredible reporting out of an abundance of caution he said, let's get everybody thank you so much, we'll get a lot more ahead tonight john kerry will be joining m live, in studio, to talk about the biggest threat facing th country in the world, quit together everybody in the chain o command. everybody was an expert in thi frankly. building and that strategic command, at first, that old yankee candle, stratcom in omaha. i want to talk everybody through all of these procedures remember that? one of the things that he said that old yankee candle covid to this group, very high level group of generals and admirals rumor? guess what it is back he said, if anything strange if you hear anything strange but it doesn't pass the smel test, that's next. coming out of the white house, remember, this happened at the end of the next administration

by the way, this is not -- this house on president. anything weird, anything strange, you know, let the joint chiefs know. remember, -- >> typically not in the chai of command >> we were democracy, except when it comes to nuclear policy the president, and this is a term that's been used, a nuclear monarch. the president can order the us of nuclear weapons, tell the secretary of defense, secretar of defense tells the guys ou in omaha then they launch they can't launch if it's an illegal order. this is where it becomes ver fuzzy. that's why you have th chairman, is around nuclear war, i think this is the the core o it the job, first and, foremost o president, i commander-in-chief you're in charge of the weapon that could destroy the world and when your chairman of th joint chiefs thanks, you know what? maybe this is not the most

appropriate person to have i charge of this were nurses situation. >> general milley has to understand that. but also convey to our adversaries, who may think thi is a good opportunity to strik america, or exploiter merica's vulnerability. for also nuclear armed, not to do it. he was communicating to hi counterparts, don't look a what is happening in washington and think were unstable. even though he probably felt w are. >> what do you think, we're no unstable the reason we're not unstable, because you have guys like me. and you got other people in th system, all of the generals an admirals are professionals and you don't have to worr about it >> jeffrey, stick around, gotta talk a little bit more it will squeeze in a quick break. when we come back, we're gonna talk about this bombshel reporting about trump and hi fear of being a loser. we're gonna get into that, next you won't. it's ripe in here. my eyes are watering. look how crusty this is. ugh, it's just too much. not with this. good advice. when stains and odors pile up, it's got to be tide.

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say in front of people that we are at a moment which is probably one of the most dangerous in all of huma existence on a planet. but tha is exactly where we are. i believe this fight is one of the. but not if we continu with as much business as usual as we're seeing today. >> this week, john kerry, the specia presidential envoy for climate issued a thoroughly warnin about the situation we fin ourselves in. that is, as nation and as a planet. climate that is experiencing disastrously weren't temperatures and barreling towards a full blown crisis. w have just come off the hottest summer ever, on record. an scientists say things will onl get worse unless the globa community he'd secretary

kerry's warning and does something right now. john kerry, u.s. special personnel o climate and the former u.s secretary of state. unde president obama. joins me now. secretary kerry, i know this has been an exceptionally busy week for you. i can't imagine. but thanks for making time for us tonight. i want to star broadly speaking just, kind of the big takeaway from this week. and people are wondering what the global community ca do to combat climate change. there is a big gap between wha the experts are calling for an what the world is doing. > actually, the worlds has stepped up with promises. an at the last meetings of th global community, and glasgo -- they made promises that would make an enormous difference in pulling us bac from the brink. the problem is not everybody is fulfillin those commitments. so the push now is to raise ambition, bu in an accountable way, and get the job done. the importan thing is, we can win thi

battle. we absolutely can. but we have to deploy more technology, pay more attention and keep our promises. >> suspect speak speaking t officials on the sidelines o the u. n.. one thing that have heard over and over again is the gap between the globa south and the global north. yo speak to representatives and diplomats from the global south, and they point the finger at the global north and say, it was you that contributed t where we are today and it' you'd have to pay up. and so they're talking about financing, to try to set up some kind o financing. how do you close it i, mean are we even close to closing the gap? >> we hav plans to close the gap. and think there is a huge focus, but even the finance community i met today with ascot owner who manage about 11 trillion dollars worth of assets an property. and they're really

captured by this. they kno that their life is going to be affected. and jobs will be affected. the pistons communit will be affected. the insuranc companies will be affected there's a massive cascad downstream here. but more an more people are honestly wakin up to this. and i believe, there is a transformation righ now. this could be reall impactful meeting of the world and dubai, and the uae, in december. and it could reall make the difference here. or o the brink, so many new technologies that are breaking through. people are seeing fusion for instance making leaps and bounds in progress we have new battery storage, batteries coming out -- we hav green hydrogen being developed there is a lot happening, and lot of money moving into those investments to make difference. president biden ha done an extraordinary job, frankly, of opening up the opportunities that are unprecedented. the inflation reduction act, which has encouraged amazing amounts o investment in our country, new

jobs. and a whole set of initiatives that are changin what the world is doing. the first move first coalition, fo the largest companies in america are making commitments to buying green products now in order to create a deman signal. where you have shippin industry, building, carbon fre ships. robert you have the first movers, which is setting an example for some of the largest corporations and the worlds, they are setting a example for how you can begi to transform rapidly. and ther is the major economies for which has produced a whole new through president biden holdin a summit at the white house, which is now created a transformation for what target

are. so i really believe tha we're in a place to win th battle, if, in the next months we make the decisions we have. two primary among them, we'v got to reduce emissions. and w have to primarily guarante that we're not going to permit new coal fired power plant anymore in the world. and think we're on track to begi to take those seriously. >> in terms of reducing emissions, you have countries, and always interview the iraqi prime minister today, desperat to get his countries economy back on track after 20 years before. but at the same, time lot of it goes through fossi fuel. how do you convince leader like the iraqi prim minister, and other countrie around the world, wh desperately seek economi progress through fossil fuel which is the largest part of their economy to not do that because -- >> it is today. but they have to buy into this transformation. they have to recognize, the uae. the uae ha a national oil company. and th uae is no longer producing gas but 15 or 20 years ago, the ua saw the future and made th decision they had to begin t

diversify. what we need is the old energy companies need to become new energy companies. and that means to transfor somewhat. a lot of them are, o some of them aren't. others ar choosing to do the things they know how to do. which is t perhaps capture emissions or extract and put back into th earth, to bury it forever. but the marketplace is going t decide who the winners and losers are here. the key is, the big energy oil and gas companies, ought to just transform into an energy company. and many are trying t do that right now. they ar chasing green hydrogen. they'r working on, you know, ne products that are capable of providing the marketplace with a host of different choices. electric vehicles are coming online at record pace. the fac is that the demand for fossi fuels as actually going down t some degree now. and will be markedly by the end of thi decade. so that change robert, good ceos are realizing th

future is going to be define in a clean energy economy. and they're making that commitment >> and i want to share with yo the assessment of the u.s. secretary general antoni guterres, not to get you comment specifically, but he's given an assessment on the vantage he sits in. an certainly anyone watching this would say you feel optimisti something can be done. he had meeting this week high-level meeting. he only allowed remarks by people he felt were taking climate actio seriously. china and the unite states were not asked to speak about event. >> the reason is, they state only leaders ca speak. and president biden couldn't be there. and i was there. but i'm not the leade of the country. so we live b the rules of that. but the united states, under president biden, has been leading and so many different ways. i mentioned the first more first coalition. i mentions the majo

economies forum, which summone the 20th largest economies i the borough to the white house virtually, for a summit. tha produced changes and commitments from people al around the world. we raise the ambition. the united states ha the inflation reduction act, which is putting more than hundreds of billions of dollar into new technologies. the united states has been helping other countries. in many different ways. i think that the united states can be ver proud of the leadership we hav been operating on this. we hav a shipping challenge. we now have the largest shippers in the world as a result of our challenge that our transformin their power plants, of the ships, into carbon free powe plants. we have sustainabl aviation fuel being worked on. we have, i mean, there is so many different things it's really exciting. but peopl don't feel all of the change yet. the united states and president biden have bee really out front, tracing thes new initiatives, one of them i

new nuclear. we have a whole new set of small modular nuclear plants being designed. and we have a methane plant. methane is responsible for 50% of warming the planet, but onl 2% of the funding of climate goes to methane. we are no change that. we started an work with the eu, put together a methane plant. we have 155 countries now that pledged t move forward on methane. methane is 20 to 80 times more damaging than co2 and it's the quickest way in which we can reduce the earth's temperature increase. so those are the things that president biden ha set in motion, and i think it' a shame that i couldn't allo some of the president to speak but on the other hand. those

are the rules and we live by >> fair enough, you mentione cop28 taking place in th united arab governments. i received a little bit of scrutiny. it's being hel there. i want to get you thoughts on what base -- a successful cop 28 means fo you. if you walk wou it look li>

there are three things tha were automatic. they're gonn happen at this cop. one is there is a automatic enhancement of the stock take, which is a report card o weber. we want that to b honest. to be clear about th gaps, and to sit something of path as we go forward. i addition, there is a

adaptation report that wil come out. which will hel define the roads adapting fo countries that need adep can't. and president biden has put a 12 billion-dolla commitment on the table in order to help these countrie be able to transform and adapt and then, in addition to that, we have a whole series o initiatives that are going t be taken by countries around the world. if those are defined, and we work at, it that's goin to add to our ability to b able to reduce the emissions o the planet. we have to raise ambition at this cop so ar doing what's necessary to wi the battle and we have to solv the problem of finance. we mus come up with a way to deploy the trillions of dollars tha are needed for thi transformation. the u. n estimates we need to have about,

you know, two and a half t four and a half trillion dollars a year for the next 30 years. we have that money in the private sector, but th private sectors restrain against investing, partly just out of concern, not confident, so we're learning how to de-risk that money. and if w can find a number of mechanism coming to fruition, at the cop end to buy, we will be in position to be able to lea forward in deploying money, an will win the battle. i believe that for a deeply. >> i gott say, i appreciate your optimis and i got to find out howeve you get. that i spent this whole week, i think a lot of people who are on the sideline at the u. n., who want to be optimistic but are also seeing -- >> honestly, there is a lot of reason to be optimistic there are incredible new thing happening in technology. battery storage. hydrogen. electric vehicles. we're on th brink of an entire revolution, and we will have a low carbon, no carbon economy. the onl

issue is, will we do it in tim to avoid the worst of th crisis. >> and hopefully som of the politicians in this country, who are climate chang deniers, don't get into th decision-making seats, if yo >> i'm not will. allowed t comment on that. >> john kerry, greatly appreciate it. good to be with you. >> that is our show tonight, i am ayman in for alex wagner. -- it is now time for the las word with lawrence o'donnell good evening, lawrence >> good evening. we are going to reveal the mos disgraceful current member o the united states senate at th end of the hour tonight. it is something i have bee thinking about talking about for a while, and it has buil to the point of not bein attainable anymore and that is how we will end th hour but we are going to begin with something we did not expect to do until next week

because it is next week when michael wolf's new book is going to be published that i called, the fall, at the end o fox news, and the murdaugh dynasty. but because the fall happene today, michael wolf has rushed into the studio tonight with one of the precious advanc copies of the book, which we will now discuss, and it wil be on sale next week >> - >>as